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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby DoNotDelete » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:53 pm

Do guile and cunning count for nought in these battles? Who out of Mega Man and Astro Boy am smarter?

I haven't really ever followed these things, but I saw something about Goku beating Superman floating around the net a few months back.

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The KKM wrote:Logically, Astro wins. He's more powerful, he's faster, he has more immediate weapons. I'm sure they'll screw it all up and pull some nonsensical reasons to balance it, though, as they always do.

All of the ones where the DBZ characters lose fights are amazing just for the fan butthurt.

Ha! Did Vegeta lose to Twilight Sparkle or something?

I guess I think Astro Boy should win because he's the original.
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby Astrobot7000 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:56 pm

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Astrobot7000 wrote:If he could bring the Rush Adapter and a suite of Robot Master powers Mega wins flat out.

He really doesn't. I think people are so entrapped by the basic idea of "they're robot kids that shoot" that they're unaware of the difference of scale in terms of powers, here. Mega Man might win if having all of the Robot Master powers, since that gives him more leverage, but Astro is still much faster, much stronger, and with what in a Mega Man game'd be seen as near insta-kill stuff like lasers. In pure comparison between both, Astro'd need three punches at most to tear Mega Man apart, one if he doesn't have the Rush Adapter.

This kind of arbritary Death Battles they do just annoy me because they're based on character role comparisons instead of what makes sense with each character's feats and context in-universe. "Oh Mega Man and Astro Boy fit perfectly together, they're both robot boys!" Except Astro Boy is literally the strongest robot on Earth in his series, an Earth with robots much more advanced than Mega Man Classic. "Oh Superman and Goku are similar characters in story, they fit perfectly together!" Except Superman is absurdely overpowered and that's kind of his whole point for the majority of his history. "Oh Dr. Eggman and Dr. Wily are both evil scientists!" Yeah and Eggman has literal space fleets at his command. Etc


I admit I don't know very much about Astro Boy, but I have seen/read some of it. He did not strike me as all that powerful, really. No more than Mega Man in a lot of his various interations. Heck, Archie Mega Man is almost absurdly with how absurdly strong his Mega Buster is. It basically kills anything in one hit except Gamma and that Wily Spider bot. But video game Mega Man would likely have a tough time. Also, Mega Man is not instantly killed by lasers. He can take a Gemini Laser no problem, and several other types of laser weapons from enemies. It's only the lasers as level hazards, like those in Quick Man's stage, that are instant death. I doubt Astro Boy's lasers are that incredible, to where they are larger than he is.

But perhaps they are. For my money though, I think Archie and Megamix Mega Man could take him. I mean, in Ariga's mange he killed Sun Star, a god-level alien robot, with nothing but his mega buster when he was halfway destroyed.

I guess it all depends on what interpretations you're using, and what factors you consider. Any battle could go any way really, if it's written that way.
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby DoNotDelete » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:04 pm

Astro Boy is built for like, doing stuff in outer space. He has like, rocket jets built into his legs and a finger that shoot laser. Also he can bench press a train.

Mega Man can't even walk on spikes.

I looked up Astro Boy's tech specs (these are from the original story so they're probably outdated now):
Wikipedia wrote:Astro then is shown fighting crime, evil, and injustice using his seven powers: 100K horsepower strength, jet flight, high intensity lights in his eyes, adjustable hearing, instant language translation, a retractable machine gun in his hips, and a high IQ capable of determining if a person is good or evil.

That last part about determining whether a person is good or evil could end this battle before it starts, but there is a loophole in that Mega Man is not strictly speaking 'a person'.
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby Mordum » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:08 pm

DoNotDelete wrote:Ha! Did Vegeta lose to Twilight Sparkle or something?


Kirby beat Majin Buu.

The butthurt was downright pornographic.
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby The KKM » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:28 pm

Astrobot7000 wrote:
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Astrobot7000 wrote:If he could bring the Rush Adapter and a suite of Robot Master powers Mega wins flat out.

He really doesn't. I think people are so entrapped by the basic idea of "they're robot kids that shoot" that they're unaware of the difference of scale in terms of powers, here. Mega Man might win if having all of the Robot Master powers, since that gives him more leverage, but Astro is still much faster, much stronger, and with what in a Mega Man game'd be seen as near insta-kill stuff like lasers. In pure comparison between both, Astro'd need three punches at most to tear Mega Man apart, one if he doesn't have the Rush Adapter.

This kind of arbritary Death Battles they do just annoy me because they're based on character role comparisons instead of what makes sense with each character's feats and context in-universe. "Oh Mega Man and Astro Boy fit perfectly together, they're both robot boys!" Except Astro Boy is literally the strongest robot on Earth in his series, an Earth with robots much more advanced than Mega Man Classic. "Oh Superman and Goku are similar characters in story, they fit perfectly together!" Except Superman is absurdely overpowered and that's kind of his whole point for the majority of his history. "Oh Dr. Eggman and Dr. Wily are both evil scientists!" Yeah and Eggman has literal space fleets at his command. Etc


I admit I don't know very much about Astro Boy, but I have seen/read some of it. He did not strike me as all that powerful, really. No more than Mega Man in a lot of his various interations. Heck, Archie Mega Man is almost absurdly with how absurdly strong his Mega Buster is. It basically kills anything in one hit except Gamma and that Wily Spider bot. But video game Mega Man would likely have a tough time. Also, Mega Man is not instantly killed by lasers. He can take a Gemini Laser no problem, and several other types of laser weapons from enemies. It's only the lasers as level hazards, like those in Quick Man's stage, that are instant death. I doubt Astro Boy's lasers are that incredible, to where they are larger than he is.

But perhaps they are. For my money though, I think Archie and Megamix Mega Man could take him. I mean, in Ariga's mange he killed Sun Star, a god-level alien robot, with nothing but his mega buster when he was halfway destroyed.

I guess it all depends on what interpretations you're using, and what factors you consider. Any battle could go any way really, if it's written that way.


Rockman schematics have him, if I'm reading this right, with a maximum output of 1000 horsepower.

Big plotpoint in Astroboy? He's 100000 horsepower, 1000000 after upgrading.

Now, that's the basic comparison we can make from numbers, as after that IIRC Astro doesn't have more specific schematics like Mega Man has. We do see though that he's generally pretty resistant to physical trauma, being instead vulnerable to electricity and energy attacks. We know he can fly, and he can fly fast. We know he can lift alone, without much effort, robots the size of Gamma.

He's outgunned, sure, but I legitimately can't see why that'd matter- he'd quickly fly at Mega Man and, well

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EDIT: Dunno how relevant it'd be too, but computer-wise Astro'd be better compared to X or forwards robots, full sentience and all.
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:02 pm

The KKM wrote:Wasn't Omega Factor only used to describe what you mean in the GBA game?


Perhaps, but the thing about Death Battles is that they draw from all officially licensed incarnations of a character, so the GBA is as valid as anything.

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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby ReifuTD » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:43 pm

DoNotDelete wrote:Do guile and cunning count for nought in these battles?


I seem to remember a few, the only one I can name right now is when they had all four of the Teenage Turtles fight each other.
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby Acrosurge » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:46 pm

The KKM wrote:Rockman schematics have him, if I'm reading this right, with a maximum output of 1000 horsepower.

Big plotpoint in Astroboy? He's 100000 horsepower, 1000000 after upgrading.

Now, that's the basic comparison we can make from numbers, as after that IIRC Astro doesn't have more specific schematics like Mega Man has. We do see though that he's generally pretty resistant to physical trauma, being instead vulnerable to electricity and energy attacks. We know he can fly, and he can fly fast. We know he can lift alone, without much effort, robots the size of Gamma.

He's outgunned, sure, but I legitimately can't see why that'd matter- he'd quickly fly at Mega Man and, well
In a lifting contest, I'd give it to Astro, no contest. He's much faster too, but I don't see this battle as one sided. Also, I think Mega Man's original specifications suggest 1500 HP equivalent output, not that that matters compared to Astro's 1,000,000. What could shrink that distance is the fact that Mega Man was able to lift an entire section of Wily's fortress in Mega Man 5 and lifted and tossed Wily's Super Mechasaurus after it stepped on him (a Capcom audio drama, IIRC)! With Rush's aid, he was also able to knock the X Crusher around with punches. I'm not saying that makes him a match for Astro, but it may shorten the strength gap a bit.

To me, the thing that makes it a contest is Mega Man's firepower and durability. Astro is incredibly resistant to physical trauma, but he suffers when confronted with (as you mentioned) energy attacks, electricity, and weapons that utilize extreme cold. These are weapons that Mega Man commonly employs and has demonstrated a resistance against. Alone and uncharged, the Mega Buster is actually fairly devastating (able to vaporize boulders and punch holes in steel). The addition of Robot Master Weapons could cause real trouble for Astro, especially weapons like the Flash Stopper, Ice Slasher, Thunder Beam, Thunder Bolt, and Black Hole Bomb. The Astro Crush could literally earn the name!

One other thing to consider is that some of Astro Boy's incarnations show that utilizing his most powerful distance attacks (finger lasers and arm cannons) rapidly drains Astro's personal energy. This was especially noticeable in the 2003 anime. The Mega Buster does not share this limit, and Mega Man may use W and S tanks to boost his Special Weapons, should he run low on them.

So, I see Astro having an advantage in strength and a huge advantage in mobility (though Rush might shrink that one) while Mega Man has the advantage in firepower and durability. Whether the guys at Death Battle will see it that way is another matter entirely!
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:52 am

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:
The KKM wrote:Wasn't Omega Factor only used to describe what you mean in the GBA game?


Perhaps, but the thing about Death Battles is that they draw from all officially licensed incarnations of a character, so the GBA is as valid as anything.

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Forget what I said here; I had a few things mixed up, and... yeah.

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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby Specs64z » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:13 pm

While entertainng, I only take Death Battle with a grain of salt. (Sure Kirby survived popstar exploding, but he also gets killed by simply bumping into enemies too many times. Derp.) But the best example: Knuckles should have beaten DK. Thunder Arrow is an unavoidable lightning bolt that renders your opponent helpless, in Sonic Heroes that ground punch with all the exploding fire balls (which works even when in a very thin atmosphere during egg fleet) has to be worth something insane, but the killing blow is Power Flash, which just straight up stops time for up to 20 seconds or so. Freaking. Stops. Time. I think we can all agree that 20 seconds is probably long enough for Knuckles to dismember just about anyone. Sometimes they're just plain wrong.
Next, they said his speed was at least 100 mph. Well, dodging point-blank machine fire on reaction time (in my eyes) would require nearly 10x that speed.
Also, they used Boom Knuckles for Knuckled intelligence. Boom. Knuckles. WHY!? They're not even from the same universe! I'm also not even going to bother to mention Chaos Knuckles... *ahem* not that I'm butthurt or anything...
long story short: Who cares? I'm just gonna enjoy the fight. Hopefully. (seriously though, who "researched" Knuckles???)
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby SonicBlueRanger » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:46 am

Okay can I just say Death Battle (Like Internet Reviews and most content on the internet) is just for fun and it's really silly to get so worked up over it? It's just a goofy web show designed to entertain and nothing more.
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby The KKM » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:26 pm

Well, no use in responding "no I'd rather you not condescend on me right now" since you went ahead and said it anyways, no? :V Although you seem to take any critique of something you like as "why're you getting so worked-up"
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby Mordum » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:32 pm

Not to mention fans taking it way too seriously is like a solid half of why Death Battle is so entertaining.

I think my one exception is Goku vs Superman, but only because that stuff had been so overdone and I'd seen that stupid argument ever since I've used the internet. It didn't feel like anything new, it was just another excuse to whine about the same thing people had been whining about since long before I was 12.

So I could almost sympathize, except the only one I hate is just out of utter boredom. And even THEN, DBZ fankids getting punked isn't all bad.
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby Mavrickindigo » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:37 pm

Super Man vs Goku wasn't bad.

Kirby vs Majin Buu was just terrible. They even broke their own rules for the fight, allowing Kirby to get outside help
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Re: Up comming Death Battle Mega Man Vs Astro Boy

Postby Azul » Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:47 pm

Mavrickindigo wrote:Super Man vs Goku wasn't bad.

Kirby vs Majin Buu was just terrible. They even broke their own rules for the fight, allowing Kirby to get outside help

What do you mean? Nobody jumped in to help him.
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