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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby therealfalconpawnch7 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:39 pm

BlackHawkOmega wrote:For the love of god can we get back on topic

Sure! I don't know what to think about the new continuity yet. But as I told Louis-the-Hedgehog on DA, I'll have a solid opinion in about 5 or 6 months. Right now it's looking good.
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby blob55 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:59 am

MissFreaky wrote:However you gotta take the good with the bad and sometimes roll with it. Good memories of PS1 games and six sided rings come to mind. At least see Spyro be enjoyed by a new generation of kiddies and his game despite using glowing statues and sharing space with a bunch of other wacky critters is actually quite fun for everyone. Same can't be said for TNA or Crash...but that another discussion for another day.

Yeah, but what good is there from 90% of the cast in Sonic the Hedgehog being completely retconned out of existence?

I don't get why SEGA hates Sonic called Chuck his Uncle. There are enough ways around it that won't cause any problems, like Uncle being his nickname, like Miles "Tails" Prower or Sonic seeing him as an Uncle figure.

Ryu The Weredragon wrote:and furthermore can't be shown with any interest at all in Amy. So they'll probably just drop the romantic angle verbally, but show Sonic and Sally as close whenever they can.

Aww :( SonicxAmy was my faviourite pairing.
Is there any way SEGA will allow Amy to have secret interests in someone else? (Ben)
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby therealfalconpawnch7 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:27 am

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MissFreaky wrote:However you gotta take the good with the bad and sometimes roll with it. Good memories of PS1 games and six sided rings come to mind. At least see Spyro be enjoyed by a new generation of kiddies and his game despite using glowing statues and sharing space with a bunch of other wacky critters is actually quite fun for everyone. Same can't be said for TNA or Crash...but that another discussion for another day.

Yeah, but what good is there from 90% of the cast in Sonic the Hedgehog being completely retconned out of existence?

Say this in your head, "At least I can talk about this with other fans without fear of getting a freshly toasted bagel thrown at my head." (Side Note, never mention Code Geass R2 to a Code Geass R1 fan, they will react, and it might be with a toasted bagel to the face.)
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby Daisetsu » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:01 am

blob55 wrote:I don't get why SEGA hates Sonic called Chuck his Uncle. There are enough ways around it that won't cause any problems, like Uncle being his nickname, like Miles "Tails" Prower or Sonic seeing him as an Uncle figure.

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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby Lord Exor » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:07 am

Captain Harlock wrote:Don't turn this into something about your illnesses or lack thereof.

You're one to talk considering how abrasive you are to everyone. :roll:
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby ZoZo » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:38 am

Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts can still be used right? I read that Ian said on the charity play-though of Lost World that all references to other continuities like the OVA and Underground was now off limits.
Surely that doesn't extend to AostH, oh man I hope not.
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby Meliden » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:39 am

ZoZo wrote:Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts can still be used right? I read that Ian said on the charity play-though of Lost World that all references to other continuities like the OVA and Underground was now off limits.
Surely that doesn't extend to AostH, oh man I hope not.


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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby Lord Exor » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:45 am

RIP Underground Epilogue. I predicted a while back that SEGA would renege on that development, and I'm sad to be vindicated in this case.
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby ZoZo » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:59 am

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Meliden wrote:No, those three are safe.


Oh phew, it'd be heartbreaking to lose those guys.

I wonder if they don't work for Mogul anymore if they're Badnik Horde commanders.
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby Matt7325 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:28 am

Lord Exor wrote:RIP Underground Epilogue. I predicted a while back that SEGA would renege on that development, and I'm sad to be vindicated in this case.


Ian Flynn wrote:Also, concerning "Sonic Underground is off limits" - that's not new. That's been in place since before I got on the book. The finale in Sonic Universe was supposed to be a special one-time thing. We're still trying to find a way to get it to happen.
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby behellmorph » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:54 am

ZoZo wrote:Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts can still be used right? I read that Ian said on the charity play-though of Lost World that all references to other continuities like the OVA and Underground was now off limits.
Surely that doesn't extend to AostH, oh man I hope not.


Does anyone know why the over continuities like Underground are off-limits? I Imagine that extends to Sonic X as well I assume.
It just seems off to me that various parts of history are banned from being referenced.
Especially odd since the last time Sega said they were blacklisting something, Sonic 2006, it didn't stop a level from said game showing up in Generations thus completely undoing the whole blacklisting in the first place.

I think fondly to Transformers Animated which pretty much payed homage to nearly everything in Transformers' past. Man that was a good series while it lasted and the show acknowledging so much was also pleasant of the writers to do.
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby Bleeding Fingertips » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:09 am

There's been a lot of talk about SEGA here, what exactly does SEGA have to do with this revamp?
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby SonicBlueRanger » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:16 am

Bleeding Fingertips wrote:There's been a lot of talk about SEGA here, what exactly does SEGA have to do with this revamp?


Near as I can tell almost nothing outside of the production staff at Archie deciding a licsensed property should resemble what it's promoting. People just like to blame Sega for everything.
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby theJcfreak » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:09 am

I thought Archie and Sega were working together to bring the comic closer to its roots so nothing quite as unfortunate as years long settlement case could ever happen again? I don't really know how deeply Sega's involved in the reboot but I think it's more than 'not at all'.

behellmorph wrote:Does anyone know why the over continuities like Underground are off-limits? I Imagine that extends to Sonic X as well I assume.


Underground, the OVA and Sonic X are off-limits yes. I imagine it's because Sega's trying to streamline its continuity and make things a little simpler for younger readers. It's important to remember that this comic is for kids, not us. We the long-time fans may jump for joy when we see Princess Sara or Manik appear but the rest of the kids are going to be writing in letters asking odd questions like, "Is Queen Aleena or Bernie still Sonic's mother?". I think Sonic-Grams still gets questions like that.

But the line's drawn at the Freedom Fighters (SatAM) because of how deeply their ingrained into the book and Archie canon. And the line's drawn at AoStH because everybody realizes it's the best Sonic cartoon. :D
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Re: Thoughts on the "New" Mobius

Postby behellmorph » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:46 am

theJcfreak wrote:I thought Archie and Sega were working together to bring the comic closer to its roots so nothing quite as unfortunate as years long settlement case could ever happen again? I don't really know how deeply Sega's involved in the reboot but I think it's more than 'not at all'.

behellmorph wrote:Does anyone know why the over continuities like Underground are off-limits? I Imagine that extends to Sonic X as well I assume.


Underground, the OVA and Sonic X are off-limits yes. I imagine it's because Sega's trying to streamline its continuity and make things a little simpler for younger readers. It's important to remember that this comic is for kids, not us. We the long-time fans may jump for joy when we see Princess Sara or Manik appear but the rest of the kids are going to be writing in letters asking odd questions like, "Is Queen Aleena or Bernie still Sonic's mother?". I think Sonic-Grams still gets questions like that.

But the line's drawn at the Freedom Fighters (SatAM) because of how deeply their ingrained into the book and Archie canon. And the line's drawn at AoStH because everybody realizes it's the best Sonic cartoon. :D


I see, personally I can't see why it would be so difficult to grasp that their are multiple continuities (if that is the case). It is hardly quantum physics. You mean that Sega just doesn't want to have a situation like....oh I don't know, as an example, let's say that Rudy of the Episode Bug! in Sonic Underground showing up and being terrified at the idea of getting simple questions asked by kids in case they are so bamboozled by the presence of Rudy that they can't understand and thus not enjoy the comics and it is all ruined for them? (Slight exaggeration granted)
With Rudy if he, or any over 1 episode characters did show up, then it would not be a problem. Most kids probably would never have seen him before and will just assume he is a new face, no complications. They will only find out if they have already seen the show and Or the Predator ship from said cartoon, if a villain used it briefly for a story, then again no complications. Kids will not be confused at the sight of the ship.
I am not actually expecting either to show up, just using them as examples.
You made a good example with Manik though.

But all the same it is a considerable shame. What would I give to see Sleet show up. It would be nice to see the over shows get mentioned, even if it is briefly. Just seems being rather merciless in selecting what parts of history get to be remembered by "official" material. I remember all things Sonic with fondness....except Colours and Lost World. Nothing pleasant to say about either game.

"this comic is for kids, not us"
Also true, reminds me of Spyro the Dragon in a way. The older fan base has all but been left to go somewhere else because Activison has decided to focus solely on appealing to kids.

I say "in a way" specifically because yes I am aware that the situations between here and Spyro are a tad different.

I wish Sega did have something made for the older fans. That would be a nice balance, something for the kids and something for the older fans. However it seems like Sega is just going for kids and only kids. What with the game's current direction, the comics and Boom.
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