odds of a fleetway Sonic and archie Sonic crossover

[Chosenoneknuckles]

None whatsoever [after last time - and even then].

... But there's nothing denying the probable existence of the STC-verse along the Cosmic Interstate, so that's fine [as long as STC-Online exists, all is good].

[Damasca Ramza]

None whatsoever, and can I get a hallelujah for that? I read most of StC, I couldn't stand the majority of it.

[The KKM]

None whatsoever, and can I get a hallelujah for that? I read most of StC, I couldn't stand the majority of it.

Nope, niet, not, never.

[Godzillabrawler]

We've already had Ian do a mention here in the forums, In-character as Sonic.

Basically Fleetway Sonic's dimension is blocked because the way to it (in the cosmic highway) was destroyed by Dr. Nega.

Quite interesting. I never knew that. Thanks KMM!

[The Coolness]

We've already had Ian do a mention here in the forums, In-character as Sonic.

Basically Fleetway Sonic's dimension is blocked because the way to it (in the cosmic highway) was destroyed by Dr. Nega.

Quite interesting. I never knew that. Thanks KMM!

So basically nega threw a big copywrite law at the path

[Ogilvie]

It's pretty much been said all that's needed to be said.

However, we occassionally have coincidences that match up to Sonic the Comic (Eggman going insane in both, Evil Super Sonic, Finitevus looking similar to Zachary, etc.) and I suppose in a way that could sate one's appetite for StC.

Apart from coincidences or homages, however, no actual crossover in sight.

[The Coolness]

It's pretty much been said all that's needed to be said.

However, we occassionally have coincidences that match up to Sonic the Comic (Eggman going insane in both, Evil Super Sonic, Finitevus looking similar to Zachary, etc.) and I suppose in a way that could sate one's appetite for StC.

Apart from coincidences or homages, however, no actual crossover in sight.

crying shame

[Nigel Kitching]

The crap that came from the cameos (and Nigel Kithing is free to correct me if needed) was simply that Dub drew characters like Tekno or Shortfuse, which don't actually belong to SEGA but to their writer, Lew Stringer.

Stringer just didn't find it so fun that Archie was using his characters and IIRC didn't realize it was just a cameo, thinking Archie intended to start using them.

EDIT: Spin, they don't have to make it known. I'm sorry if I'm lashing it out at you, but you make it sound like he's some sort of Penders or something. Quite simply, Fleetway didn't hire their writers, they bought stories from them. So by every legal right, any character created by the writers is theirs, as there was no contract per se.

All I know is that some UK fans got upset. Never heard what Lew thought of it. Me, I though it was a bit of fun and didn't mind that a couple of my characters (co-created with Nigel Dobbyn) were used.

No big deal.

Nigel

[Spin]

EDIT: Spin, they don't have to make it known. I'm sorry if I'm lashing it out at you, but you make it sound like he's some sort of Penders or something. Quite simply, Fleetway didn't hire their writers, they bought stories from them. So by every legal right, any character created by the writers is theirs, as there was no contract per se.

No, I didn't mean it as negatively as that might have sounded. I meant no disrespect to Nigel Kitching. And if I offended him, I apologize.

Just that after the Ken Penders incident, it's better for Archie to be out in the open about ownership. Especially when you have to consider the possible different practices done in other countries.

It's like one of those disclaimers where it shouldn't have to be said because it's common sense, but you have to say it anyways because some people don't bother to think. And when they find out the truth for themselves, they get sue happy.

Again, not saying Nigel Kitching is like this. But better safe than sorry.

[Kaosu Reido]

The crap that came from the cameos (and Nigel Kithing is free to correct me if needed) was simply that Dub drew characters like Tekno or Shortfuse, which don't actually belong to SEGA but to their writer, Lew Stringer.

Stringer just didn't find it so fun that Archie was using his characters and IIRC didn't realize it was just a cameo, thinking Archie intended to start using them.

EDIT: Spin, they don't have to make it known. I'm sorry if I'm lashing it out at you, but you make it sound like he's some sort of Penders or something. Quite simply, Fleetway didn't hire their writers, they bought stories from them. So by every legal right, any character created by the writers is theirs, as there was no contract per se.

All I know is that some UK fans got upset. Never heard what Lew thought of it. Me, I though it was a bit of fun and didn't mind that a couple of my characters (co-created with Nigel Dobbyn) were used.

No big deal.

Nigel

Always nice to see a writer with a good sense of humor and a pleasant personality about things. There's way too much manufactured drama surrounding things sometimes, and people have such massive issues when they feel there's even a small chance they're being slighted.

[Nigel Kitching]

EDIT: Spin, they don't have to make it known. I'm sorry if I'm lashing it out at you, but you make it sound like he's some sort of Penders or something. Quite simply, Fleetway didn't hire their writers, they bought stories from them. So by every legal right, any character created by the writers is theirs, as there was no contract per se.

No, I didn't mean it as negatively as that might have sounded. I meant no disrespect to Nigel Kitching. And if I offended him, I apologize.

Just that after the Ken Penders incident, it's better for Archie to be out in the open about ownership. Especially when you have to consider the possible different practices done in other countries.

It's like one of those disclaimers where it shouldn't have to be said because it's common sense, but you have to say it anyways because some people don't bother to think. And when they find out the truth for themselves, they get sue happy.

Again, not saying Nigel Kitching is like this. But better safe than sorry.

No offense taken.

The thing is that when I worked for Fleetway I signed no contract. So as far as I can make out that means I didn't sign away any of my intellectual copyright. I've worked for other companies and have signed contacts and that is a quite different matter. I have no problem with contrcts all I'm saying is that in the case of Fleetway there wasn't one.

Nigel

[Penguin God]

So then, I'm assuming the writers got paid when the comic went into reprints of older stories?

[Ian Flynn]

It's something Nigel and I batted about briefly during Summer of Sonic. We both thought it would be fun, as as he rightly pointed out, who exactly would such a cross-over be for?

The US Fans? Only the die-hards know about StC, and that's an awfully small part of the market.

The UK Fans? They already have to jump through hoops to get the US comic, and StC (StC-O notwithstanding) has been defunct for years.

So, really, it would be a lot of legal brou-ha-ha for copyrights, distribution rights, and different branches of SEGA just to do a story that would cater to a very small part of the fandom.

I'm all for doing projects that are "fun" over "practical," but I'm afraid this is just one of those scenarios where it can't be worked out.

A shame, too. Ian-Sonic and Nigel-Sonic interacting would be fascinating.

Fake Edit: And because I know someone, somewhere will take offense to the "die-hards" comment...

The online fandom is a different beast than the rest of the readership. It's very vocal, it's very active, but it's only a part of the whole. In all the fan mail, both written and email, that I've gone through over the last five years, I've only seen one letter asking about StC material. I usually see one or two asking about Sonic Underground per batch. So there you go.

[Sparky]

Its a good thing this wont happen. We dont want to see rosy getting her hands on the STC Chaos Emeralds... O_O

[Nigel Kitching]

So then, I'm assuming the writers got paid when the comic went into reprints of older stories?

Sadly not.

Fleetway stopped buying new stories and began reprinting our old stuff. They did not pay for any reprinted material.

Nigel